Cassie Smith interview recording, 1993 June 23
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Karen Ferguson | Say your name and I'll see if it's working properly. | 0:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh, Cassie Smith. | 0:04 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Start off now. Mrs. Smith, could you tell me where you grew up and maybe a little bit about the community in which you grew up? | 0:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh, I grew up in Halifax County. | 0:19 |
Karen Ferguson | Where did you grow up there? | 0:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 0:28 |
Karen Ferguson | What did your family do for a living there? | 0:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I was growing up, my father was working at the coal mill. | 0:35 |
Karen Ferguson | What kind of mill? | 0:42 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | A coal mill. | 0:44 |
Karen Ferguson | Coal. | 0:44 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Where you bring coal. For fire, at a mill. | 0:45 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you live in the country? | 0:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. I didn't get ready in the town. Yeah. | 0:51 |
Karen Ferguson | Could you tell me who lived with you when you were growing up? Was it just your immediate family? | 0:58 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | That was all my immediate family that lived with us. | 1:04 |
Karen Ferguson | How many brothers and sisters did you have? | 1:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My mother had 11 children. Mm-hmm. | 1:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Were there other people living around you when you were growing up? | 1:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. Yes. | 1:22 |
Karen Ferguson | Who were they? | 1:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They was the Sledges and the Powells that lived around, neighbors and the Branches. So many, I don't know. | 1:26 |
Karen Ferguson | Did they live close by to you? | 1:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 1:47 |
Karen Ferguson | Were you friends with them? | 1:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yes, sure was. See, when I was growing up, people was help raising each other's children. If I go there, do anything, they would spank me. They come by my mother. | 1:49 |
Karen Ferguson | Were there other things that people did for each other? | 2:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, they helped each other. If they didn't have anything, they would provide for them. | 2:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Can you remember anybody, any adults that you really looked up to in particular in that community? | 2:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I looked up to the Sledges and the Powells. | 2:29 |
Karen Ferguson | Why was that? | 2:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I just I don't know. Just thought so much of them already, that's good way. I just loved them, that's all. Yeah. | 2:34 |
Karen Ferguson | Were there many children living among your neighbors too, that you played with? | 2:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah, I played with children. | 2:59 |
Karen Ferguson | What kind of games did you play with them? | 3:05 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | We used to play ring plays. | 3:08 |
Karen Ferguson | What's that? | 3:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | [indistinct 00:03:11] playing ring with somebody be in the ring. | 3:12 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. | 3:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And then we used to play drop the hanky, just like [indistinct 00:03:19] hands and run around and drop the hanky behind that one and that one would go run around. Then she would go drop behind the other one. Then that other one she'd like that. Played Hop Scotch. Yeah, played Hop Scotch, and Sally Walkers. Just like that ring plays, we played ring plays. | 3:17 |
Karen Ferguson | Could you describe the house that you grew up in when you were growing up? | 3:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I know we stay in a log house. | 3:52 |
Karen Ferguson | A log house? | 3:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. We used to live in a log house. | 3:56 |
Karen Ferguson | How many rooms did it have? | 4:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | It had three, three rooms. | 4:02 |
Karen Ferguson | For 11 people. Where did you spend most of your time in the house? | 4:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | In the house? | 4:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 4:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know. Didn't look. I don't know. | 4:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Could you tell me a little bit about your parents? What they did and what they were like as people, as you remember them? | 4:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What they was like? | 4:44 |
Karen Ferguson | Well, what did your parents do? You said your father worked in a mill? | 4:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 4:48 |
Karen Ferguson | What did your mother do? | 4:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My mother still ran the house and tend the children. | 4:50 |
Karen Ferguson | That's right. | 4:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | That's all she did. | 4:52 |
Kara Miles (?) | What were their personalities like? | 5:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Hmm? | 5:03 |
Kara Miles (?) | What were their personalities like? | 5:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What do you mean that's—? | 5:12 |
Kara Miles (?) | What kind of people were they? | 5:14 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What kind of people my parents? They was the good peoples. Yeah. See, they were good peoples. Were good to us, and treated other peoples nice. Most all the neighbors liked them. My mother just died in 1974. | 5:16 |
Karen Ferguson | How old was she? Was she very old? | 5:47 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I think she was 78. | 5:50 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, yeah. | 5:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, she soon would have been, she was 79. Her next birthday, should've been 80. | 5:55 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you have any other kin who lived around you in the place where you grew up? | 6:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My kin people? | 6:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 6:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yes. I had aunts and uncles, and cousins. | 6:11 |
Karen Ferguson | What did they do? | 6:17 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What do they— | 6:17 |
Karen Ferguson | For a living. | 6:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh, they worked public jobs. They didn't farm, nothing like that. | 6:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Why didn't your family farm? I know most people around here did farm. | 6:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I reckon because they didn't like it, I guess. Some people don't like to farm. | 6:35 |
Karen Ferguson | Right, right. | 6:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They like to work public work. | 6:43 |
Karen Ferguson | What did your father do at the mill? Do you remember that? | 6:47 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He was a farmer. | 6:49 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you live close by the mill? | 6:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Uh-uh. | 6:56 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 6:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The mill was way downtown. | 6:56 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. How did he get to work in the morning? | 6:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He used to ride a bicycle. | 6:57 |
Karen Ferguson | Bicycle? | 6:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He didn't have no car like they do now. Bicycles. | 6:57 |
Karen Ferguson | Did most of the people who lived in your neighborhood, did they work in the mill as well? | 7:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 7:20 |
Karen Ferguson | No? What did they do? | 7:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Some of this work in the house with White people and some just—I know my grandma, I remember she used to take in washing stuff. I remember that. That's my father's, that was his stepmother—father had been married twice. | 7:23 |
Karen Ferguson | Did the neighborhood in which you grew up, did it have a name? Did you call it anything? | 7:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Where I grew up in? | 7:50 |
Karen Ferguson | In Halifax County. | 7:51 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Roanoke Rapids. | 7:52 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, you lived in Roanoke Rapids? That's right. So you lived right in Roanoke Rapids? | 7:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Not right in the town. | 8:02 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 8:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | But up in next one, but they called the whole thing Roanoke Rapids. | 8:06 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you go into town very often? | 8:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. Not like folk do now. Now, when I was growing up, all I do is stay around that played, and deal with my mama and father. | 8:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Where did you do your shopping? Did you grow any of your own food or did you go to the store to buy it? | 8:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, they made their own food. Made their own gardens. They made their own corn. | 8:31 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you ever go into town to buy things? | 8:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, something like meats and stuff like that. But hardly ever do that, because when you kill hog they had their own meat. | 8:46 |
Karen Ferguson | Were hogs the only kind of animals that you kept? Did you keep anything else? | 8:58 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, that was all they raised, oh and chickens. | 9:03 |
Karen Ferguson | Chickens. | 9:05 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Chickens. | 9:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you have any chores that you had to do? | 9:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I had chores to do? | 9:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 9:15 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | In the house? | 9:17 |
Karen Ferguson | Or with the animals? | 9:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 9:21 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 9:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 9:21 |
Karen Ferguson | No. Your mother did everything? | 9:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. What my father didn't do when he was working. | 9:25 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you remember, were your grandparents alive when you were growing up? | 9:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My mother's mother was, but my father's mother wasn't. My mother's father was living when I was growing up, because my mother's father was living when I got married. Her mother was living when I got married. | 9:37 |
Karen Ferguson | I see. Were you close to them when you were growing up? | 9:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yes. Yeah. | 9:55 |
Karen Ferguson | What kinds of things did you do with them? | 9:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What I do with them? | 10:01 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 10:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Nothing. We'd stay around here. | 10:02 |
Karen Ferguson | Did they live with you? | 10:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Uh-huh. | 10:09 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 10:09 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They stayed to themselves. | 10:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Did they ever tell you anything about their own childhoods? Any stories? | 10:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, but I forgot. | 10:19 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 10:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They did, but it was so long ago. | 10:25 |
Kara Miles (?) | Yeah, it's a long time ago. | 10:25 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you know what they did—what kinds of jobs they did when they were younger? | 10:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, I don't know. I know my grandfather, he used to work at a mill. My grandfather did. But around my grandmother, I ain't know her to work. All that. I don't remember she worked. | 10:39 |
Karen Ferguson | You said one of your grandmothers took in washing, too? | 10:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 10:59 |
Karen Ferguson | Did most of the women in your neighborhood, did they work in White people's homes or do domestic work? | 11:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah. | 11:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. Where did most of these White people live in Roanoke Rapids? | 11:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They stayed right downtown. | 11:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 11:17 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I know my granddad used to have old steel, he'd get old cart and he go pick up clothes. | 11:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. | 11:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. I remember that. When we bring them to wash them. If they had a, well, something had a [indistinct 00:11:38] to beat the clothes. I was a little girl, people have us beating them, get around, then they take them out to wash them, and hang them out. I remember that. | 11:31 |
Karen Ferguson | You washed them in a creek or something? | 11:49 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, we washed them at home. | 11:51 |
Karen Ferguson | At home? | 11:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah. | 11:53 |
Karen Ferguson | You helped out with that? | 11:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. I remember that. | 11:59 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. When you were at home, who made the decisions around the home? Who was the boss in your family, do you think? | 11:59 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I was at home? | 12:20 |
Karen Ferguson | Yeah. Your mother or your father who was in charge of the decision-making? | 12:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My mama. | 12:26 |
Karen Ferguson | What kinds of decisions did she make? | 12:33 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Decision for— | 12:35 |
Karen Ferguson | For the children? | 12:37 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 12:38 |
Karen Ferguson | How about the decisions about money? | 12:39 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, they made that together, decisions about the money. | 12:41 |
Karen Ferguson | Who disciplined the children when you were growing up? | 12:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The what? | 12:56 |
Karen Ferguson | Who spanked you, and who took care of punishing you if you did something wrong? | 12:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My mama did the most, because she was there with us all the time. | 13:08 |
Karen Ferguson | Right. | 13:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | But my dad, he did it some when he did, but my mama did it all. Most of it. | 13:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you treat your own children? Did you have any children of your own? Did you treat your children the same way that your parents treated them—you? | 13:15 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, yeah. Because when I was growing up, I didn't go out to joints and things like that and Piccolo joints, used to go out to clubs and nothing like that. | 13:22 |
Karen Ferguson | No? Why not? | 13:28 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | That was wrong place. You know, you get into trouble. | 13:30 |
Karen Ferguson | Right. | 13:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My children, they came but they didn't go. We didn't go out to stay all night like girls do now. Yeah, I raised them part of the way I was raised. I didn't have no trouble with them going out, staying all night and going to joints and things, and dances hall like that. Now, most of them go to church. | 13:43 |
Karen Ferguson | What else? What did you do for fun if you didn't go to the dance halls and—? | 14:07 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The fun also was going to church. | 14:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Church? Now why was that fun? What did you do at church? | 14:17 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Praise the Lord. That what. Praise the lord. That was fun, because you be saying you enjoyed that. | 14:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Was there anything else about church that you enjoyed? | 14:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I enjoyed singing and hearing the word of God, singing and participating. | 14:34 |
Karen Ferguson | What church did you go to? | 14:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I was— | 14:45 |
Karen Ferguson | Growing up? | 14:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I went to First Baptist in Roanoke Rapids. | 14:47 |
Karen Ferguson | Did most of the people you knew go to that church? | 14:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. Because sometimes I went to other church besides that. | 15:01 |
Karen Ferguson | Pardon me? | 15:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I went part of time, went to some more churches, went on down at my church and my mother's children, they would go somewhere else. | 15:05 |
Karen Ferguson | Your mother went to a different church? | 15:14 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Went to be at the church you belongs to. | 15:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. Did your church meet every Sunday? | 15:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 15:24 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 15:24 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 15:24 |
Karen Ferguson | How often did it meet? | 15:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | About twice a month. | 15:26 |
Karen Ferguson | Twice a month. Would you go to another church? | 15:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 15:31 |
Karen Ferguson | What churches? What other churches did you go to? | 15:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I went the Twilight Church like [indistinct 00:15:39]. | 15:34 |
Karen Ferguson | Were those churches different than First Baptist? | 15:41 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, all of them were the same denomination. | 15:43 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. I see. I see. It would be the same people but a different preacher? | 15:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 15:51 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you have anything? | 15:52 |
Kara Miles (?) | What besides, you said you like singing, do you sing the choir? Did you any other activities with the church after, aside from the services, things like that? | 15:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I just helping there. Helping the church, helping clean up the church like that. | 16:04 |
Kara Miles (?) | How were people baptized? | 16:04 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I baptized? | 16:18 |
Kara Miles (?) | When you were growing up, they take you to the river? | 16:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I was baptized in the river. | 16:22 |
Kara Miles (?) | Which one was that? | 16:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Roanoke River. | 16:25 |
Kara Miles (?) | Okay. | 16:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Okay. Yeah, I was baptized in the river. But now they got pools. | 16:26 |
Kara Miles (?) | Was that a big gathering, a big event when people got baptized? | 16:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, mm-hmm. More people is gathering when peoples baptized in the river, more peoples will be there. Baptized in the church, now don't many people be there when you be baptized in the pool. | 16:37 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you and your family ever invite the ministers to your home and things like that? | 16:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, he came. He come around and see by when something happened to the family. | 16:55 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did your church have vacation Bible school? Did they have Baptist training, youth training union, all that stuff? | 17:04 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah. When I was a kid. Ew. I think some [indistinct 00:17:20]. Yeah. | 17:12 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you go to Sunday school? | 17:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I went to Sunday school. Yeah. | 17:28 |
Kara Miles (?) | What kind of things did you learn in Sunday school? Would you ever— | 17:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | In there? | 17:36 |
Kara Miles (?) | Mm-hmm. | 17:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Learn about the Lord and all this thing, ask question and just read verse. | 17:36 |
Kara Miles (?) | Okay. | 17:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Say Bible verse. | 17:36 |
Karen Ferguson | What other places in Roanoke Rapids, in the place that you grew up, did people gather to talk to each other and to share news and to just talk and have a good time? Where would people go to do that kind of thing? | 17:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, going to gather, when one have a birthday or something like that. Somebody getting married. | 18:19 |
Karen Ferguson | Where did you get together at people's—? | 18:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Sometimes some of them got married at home. | 18:31 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. Was the ceremony at home? | 18:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. Yeah. | 18:36 |
Karen Ferguson | Who would perform the ceremony? Minister? | 18:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I got a daughter got married at home. | 18:43 |
Karen Ferguson | What were other big times of celebration during the year? You said birth— | 18:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Family reunions. | 19:01 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, you had a family reunion? | 19:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 19:03 |
Karen Ferguson | When did you have those? | 19:05 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | We had them about in August and July. | 19:07 |
Karen Ferguson | Who would come to those to the family reunions? | 19:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The families from where they live up the road, all of them get together. | 19:15 |
Karen Ferguson | Did anybody come from up north? | 19:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, yeah. | 19:24 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you have relatives from up north? | 19:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. I got a daughter up there now, and long there some people, when I was a child, I had a aunt live up there in Maryland. Up there, up north, somewhere in Washington. Long there when I was growing up, in Norfolk, they would come. | 19:27 |
Karen Ferguson | How often would you see them? | 19:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I would see them, sometimes I see them when revival stuff be at their church. That's another again, when revival will be going on. | 19:53 |
Karen Ferguson | Why do you think that your aunt and those other relatives moved north? | 20:09 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know. | 20:13 |
Karen Ferguson | You don't know? | 20:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Because probably was there when I was born already. | 20:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Why did your daughter move north? | 20:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, my daughter, I mean she just wanted to go up there. I reckon. | 20:21 |
Karen Ferguson | You talked a little bit before about piccolo joint, piccolos and dance halls. Were there other places that you weren't allowed to go to around where you lived? Places that maybe your parents called bad places or—? | 20:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, no, she didn't let us go with any kind of company. If she thought they weren't the right company, she wouldn't let me go. | 20:46 |
Karen Ferguson | But were there lots of these kinds of places? Piccolos and dance halls, were there, were they—? | 21:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | It was along there when I come was calling them joints. | 21:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Okay. | 21:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I was coming, he was calling them joints. They had Piccolos. | 21:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Was there a place in Roanoke Rapids where most of these places were? Was there a street or— | 21:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They was on streets. Some kind of beat out, some of them would kind of be in Weldon, joints and things. Other people would come there, told me to they were going into Weldon. That's Roanoke Rapids coming in. | 21:26 |
Karen Ferguson | You talked a little bit before about people, neighbors spanking you if you got in trouble and things like that. Can you remember any incidents when you got in trouble and you were punished by somebody else in the neighborhood? | 21:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, I know one man. If he know our parents didn't know where we was, he would get at us and we would go to a store anywhere, he would make us go home, parent. And then we be scared he going tattle. But I remember one time he see up to the store and he told us, said "Go home, tell your mama, you be scared." Tell you people [indistinct 00:23:01] get to our neighbor house and we do something we ain't got no business doing, they would spank you. But you can't do that now. | 22:12 |
Karen Ferguson | No. | 23:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | You can't do it now. Children is outrageous now. We would mind, but children don't mind now. | 23:13 |
Karen Ferguson | What do you think has changed between when you were growing up and now that it's made children misbehave and not mind their elders? | 23:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Because they let them have their way and don't spank nothing, but just let them go on. If you do anything, just let them go on with it. | 23:33 |
Karen Ferguson | You think spanking made you behave? | 23:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah. Because after they spanked me, but what I did, I don't want to do it no more. See, I know what she's spanking me for, and she take the child now, they do something, they don't do nothing about it. They just keep on doing it. Yeah. Because when they spanked me, I took heed at that. | 23:48 |
Karen Ferguson | Is there anything else that you think has changed that from when you were growing up and now that has made people different? | 24:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I was growing up, you see, when my parents tell me I wasn't going anywhere, I didn't go. But see, now, if parents tell their children that, they just get out and go. That make a whole lot of difficult and see, then, all the parents would know where their children were. All that done change up, because people don't know where their children be now. | 24:33 |
Karen Ferguson | Right. | 25:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They just get out and gone. That's a whole lot of change too. Because my parents know where I was at, and I didn't leave out the yard unless they knowed it. | 25:04 |
Karen Ferguson | Did your brothers and sisters look out for you as well? | 25:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, they couldn't look out for me. I'm the oldest one. | 25:18 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh. Did you have any special responsibility because you were the oldest one? | 25:26 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I done most of the cooking in that, washing. | 25:30 |
Karen Ferguson | You cooked for all those people? | 25:33 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 25:40 |
Karen Ferguson | When did you start having to do that? What age, do you remember? | 25:41 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I've been cooking that since I about 12 years old. Mm-hmm. See now, folk don't know learn their children how to cook. Some of them getting married, don't know how to cook for the husband. | 25:45 |
Karen Ferguson | Right, right. | 25:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. I've been cooking there since I was 12. I know when I was stand up on something and cook, learn how to cook. | 26:03 |
Kara Miles (?) | What was your favorite thing to cook? | 26:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Boiling the pot, cooking, rice, store and stuff. First I started grinding meat and stuff like that and bread. I just like to cook anything, boil, especially veggie, and stuff like that. | 26:15 |
Karen Ferguson | What kind of stove— | 26:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Beans. Huh? We had a wood stove. | 26:35 |
Karen Ferguson | We had wood stove? | 26:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. We had a wood stove then. | 26:37 |
Karen Ferguson | When did you have to get up in the morning to cook the breakfast? | 26:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, I would get up about five. You have breakfast, time to go to work. | 26:48 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you ever feel it was unfair that you had to get up and do this cooking? | 26:59 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 27:03 |
Karen Ferguson | Why not? | 27:04 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I just thought—I don't know. I just thought I would do it, I reckon. I didn't thought the wrong thing. I just liked to do it anyway. I thought I was grown then, I reckon. I didn't think it. | 27:12 |
Karen Ferguson | You said you felt grown then? | 27:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | [indistinct 00:27:24]. | 27:23 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you remember when people started treating you like a grown-up? When you felt that you were a grown-up woman? That was there a point which that happened? | 27:23 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I reckon when I was about—well see, we didn't get as grown, because when I was 14 years old, I was still playing. I wasn't even cool when I was 14 years old. At least I didn't know what a man when I was 14 years old. I think I would have grown up 19, 18 before I was grown anyway. Not grown like children get grown now. 13, 14-year-old is grown. | 27:41 |
Karen Ferguson | Why do you say you were grown at 18 or 19? | 28:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Because that was when boys would connect with them. | 28:22 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 28:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Then I was 18, because when I was 14, I wasn't. | 28:27 |
Karen Ferguson | You still felt you were a girl then? | 28:38 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I was way up in the age before— | 28:40 |
Karen Ferguson | What do you think the values were that your parents handed down to you? What was important to them that you learned from them? In terms of in behavior and values? | 28:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What I learned from them? | 29:12 |
Karen Ferguson | Yeah. | 29:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I learned a whole lot from them, because they teach me the right way to go and they just tell me how to do. That's kept me out of trouble. I learned all that. | 29:24 |
Karen Ferguson | What was the right way? | 29:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The right way was teaching me how not to get with wrong crowds and how not to listen to other peoples that wasn't treating me wrong. They didn't tell me nothing right. I teach me all that, and how to treat peoples. | 29:42 |
Karen Ferguson | How were you expected to behave in front of adults? Both Black and White adults? | 30:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Now why you saying that? My parents— | 30:41 |
Karen Ferguson | Did your parents tell you that you had to behave or to act in a certain way in front of adults? | 30:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 30:52 |
Karen Ferguson | How was that? | 30:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Told me manners before them, and treat them like they were grown, and talk back—teach me not to talk back to them. | 30:55 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you play with White children at all when you were growing up? | 31:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 31:21 |
Karen Ferguson | You did? Who were they? | 31:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They were George and Mrs. Willy's children. | 31:25 |
Karen Ferguson | Who were those people? How were they connected to you? | 31:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They was living right in our neighborhood. They had a store. | 31:36 |
Karen Ferguson | Store. Did they live in the same neighborhood as you? | 31:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 31:42 |
Karen Ferguson | There were White people living in your neighborhood? | 31:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 31:45 |
Karen Ferguson | Did they live on the same streets as you? | 31:47 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 31:49 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. How far away did they live? | 31:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They lived down the street a little ways, but they didn't stay in the same street. They stayed on next street. | 31:53 |
Karen Ferguson | What did you do with these children? How did you play? Did you play with them like you did with your other friends? | 32:05 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 32:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. | 32:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, they loved to play, and I loved to play with them. They loved to play with us. Sure did. | 32:13 |
Karen Ferguson | Was there a point at which you couldn't play with them any longer? | 32:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. No. | 32:27 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did they ever change the way they treated you when you got older? | 32:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Uh-uh. No. Uh-uh. They still treat same. | 32:34 |
Karen Ferguson | You still know them now? | 32:39 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, not really. I ain't seen them in so long. I really don't know if they still alive or not. | 32:40 |
Kara Miles (?) | You said that parents owned a store. Did he have Black customers? | 32:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 32:53 |
Kara Miles (?) | How did he treat his Black customers? | 32:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He treat them nice. Sure did. Yep. | 32:56 |
Karen Ferguson | You still knew these children or the children of the store owner when you were— | 33:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | A child. | 33:11 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, but not when you were older? When you were a teenager or a young woman? | 33:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh, yeah. Yeah, but, well I haven't been from up there in a long time because I'm 78 now. I know that. Ooh. Reckon they wouldn't know me. | 33:15 |
Karen Ferguson | Did your parents ever have to teach you how to behave in front of White people to stay out of trouble when you were growing up? | 33:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Because she told us not to fight one another. Be nice to one another, not to fight. | 33:43 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you know anybody who ever got into a fight with White people and got in trouble for it? | 33:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know. Plenty. | 33:58 |
Karen Ferguson | Plenty of them, huh? What kind— | 34:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They get the fight. | 34:04 |
Karen Ferguson | What kinds of things happened? | 34:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Just break friends. If I see them break friends, the children get to fighting. See, if no grown folks wouldn't get in when children fight, it would be all right. You see, they'd get back together. | 34:09 |
Kara Miles (?) | When their parents got in it? | 34:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, that's the way it was. | 34:27 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did the White children get punished too? Or just the Black children if they got in a fight? | 34:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh both of them. Yeah. Mm-hmm. | 34:41 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you remember any adults getting in trouble with White people for things? | 34:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. Not when I was growing up. | 34:57 |
Karen Ferguson | But later, did you? | 35:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 35:01 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you go to school when you were growing up? | 35:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 35:12 |
Karen Ferguson | Where did you go to school? | 35:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I went to two schools because I went to Roanoke Rapids when I was small. And then later on, I moved to Weldon. I went to Weldon School. | 35:15 |
Karen Ferguson | To where? Sorry. | 35:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Weldon. | 35:30 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Weldon School. How long did you go to school? | 35:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I went until I got about in 7th grade. | 35:37 |
Karen Ferguson | Was your school open all year round or was it, do you remember? | 35:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 35:52 |
Karen Ferguson | No. How long was it open for? | 35:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Long then, school would close in May. | 35:55 |
Karen Ferguson | In May? When would it open? | 35:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | September. | 36:00 |
Karen Ferguson | September. Were you able to go to school every day? Or were there days when you had to stay home and help out? | 36:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. My folk weren't farming then, so I didn't have nothing to do but go. | 36:08 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you like school? | 36:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I liked it. | 36:11 |
Karen Ferguson | What did you like about it? | 36:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I liked learning. I liked learning stuff. I liked it. Reading. | 36:24 |
Karen Ferguson | Were you ever disciplined by your teachers? Did they ever punish you? | 36:38 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Hmm, I don't remember. | 36:41 |
Karen Ferguson | You don't remember? | 36:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | If she punished me, I don't remember. | 36:47 |
Kara Miles (?) | Do you remember any favorite teachers that you had or anything about them? | 36:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I had Miss—what her name? I had Miss Majet. She was a good teacher. | 36:58 |
Kara Miles (?) | What did she do? | 37:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 37:01 |
Kara Miles (?) | What did she do that makes you think she was a good teacher? | 37:04 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | She wouldn't let you get away with nothing. You had to get that lesson. | 37:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Did the teachers come from around here? | 37:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 37:22 |
Karen Ferguson | Originally, they grew up around here? | 37:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know where they—no, I don't think they growed up around here. | 37:26 |
Karen Ferguson | Did the teachers stay, were they there the whole time that you went to school, or did they leave the school and go somewhere else, or were they there for a long time teaching? | 37:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, they were for a long time. | 37:41 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you remember the teachers ever playing favorites with the children? | 37:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 37:52 |
Karen Ferguson | No. | 37:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I sure don't. | 37:54 |
Karen Ferguson | Were your parents involved in your education? Was education important to them? | 38:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 38:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Yeah? | 38:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 38:13 |
Karen Ferguson | How so? | 38:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Hmm? | 38:18 |
Karen Ferguson | How was it important to them? | 38:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Because trying to make us learn it. | 38:22 |
Karen Ferguson | Were your parents able to go to school when they were growing up? | 38:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. My mama went, Daddy went too. | 38:32 |
Karen Ferguson | Did she go to the same school that you went to? | 38:39 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. I don't know which school she went to, but she went. | 38:41 |
Karen Ferguson | What was the first job that you ever had? | 38:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I ever had? | 38:52 |
Karen Ferguson | Pardon me? | 38:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I ever had? First job I have ever had? | 38:55 |
Karen Ferguson | That's right. Yeah. | 38:58 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | First job I ever had, work at the motel. | 38:58 |
Karen Ferguson | At a motel? Where was that? | 39:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Up here in [indistinct 00:39:11]. | 39:09 |
Karen Ferguson | When did you start working there? | 39:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I start? | 39:18 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 39:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | 1960. | 39:19 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. | 39:19 |
Kara Miles (?) | Were you married by that time? | 39:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 39:29 |
Kara Miles (?) | Oh, okay. | 39:29 |
Karen Ferguson | When did you get married? | 39:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I got married in 1935. | 39:34 |
Karen Ferguson | 1935. | 39:35 |
Kara Miles (?) | Oh, you were married by then. | 39:37 |
Karen Ferguson | That's great. Where did you meet your husband? | 39:41 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | In Weldon. | 39:43 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. How did you meet him? | 39:44 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | How did I meet him? I was walking down the road one day. | 39:51 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 39:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And he stopped, was talking to me. How I met him. | 39:58 |
Karen Ferguson | How old were you when you met him? Do you remember? | 40:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I was 16. | 40:10 |
Karen Ferguson | 16? Were you allowed to go out with boys at that point? Did your parents allow that? | 40:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, I didn't go out then. | 40:26 |
Karen Ferguson | No. Okay. How did— | 40:28 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I was around about 17 when I started going out. | 40:30 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 40:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 40:34 |
Karen Ferguson | Well, you said you met him— | 40:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | But one thing about it, we didn't go out. We have company, they come to the house. We had company about on Wednesday night and Sunday night. | 40:37 |
Karen Ferguson | Were your parents, were they strict about boys coming to your house as well? | 40:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 41:01 |
Karen Ferguson | How so? | 41:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They were strict, and they told us we could have company. When we started, they would come on Sunday night and like Friday night like that. Not on no certain night. | 41:09 |
Kara Miles (?) | Why? | 41:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | See, there was bath nights. | 41:25 |
Kara Miles (?) | Oh. | 41:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They used to tell us it was bath night. Take a bath. | 41:36 |
Karen Ferguson | You weren't even allowed to have someone over to your house on that night? | 41:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 41:39 |
Karen Ferguson | No. You had to stay inside? | 41:39 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | We stay home. | 41:41 |
Kara Miles (?) | Yeah. Did you meet at church too and things like that? | 41:42 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 41:45 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you meet at church too and things like that? | 41:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 41:47 |
Kara Miles (?) | No? Just go to their houses. | 41:49 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 41:50 |
Karen Ferguson | Did your parents like your husband-to-be? Yeah. | 41:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yep. | 41:58 |
Kara Miles (?) | How long did your date before you got married? | 42:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Ooh, a long time. I don't know. About two, three years. I reckon. I ain't married. Married like they do now, married quick. Court a long time. Yeah. | 42:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Where did you get married? | 42:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Where I get married at? In court. | 42:27 |
Karen Ferguson | Sorry? | 42:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | In court. | 42:27 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. Did you get married in a church there? | 42:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. Justice of Peace. | 42:35 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. Did most people get married that way? | 42:38 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. Some got married in the church. They like some do now. Married in church, some married at Justice. | 42:41 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you have any celebration after the ceremony? | 42:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 42:54 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 42:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 42:56 |
Karen Ferguson | What did your husband do after you got married, for a living? | 42:58 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Worked at a gravel pit. | 43:06 |
Karen Ferguson | Did he work there for a long time? | 43:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yep. | 43:09 |
Karen Ferguson | What did he do there? | 43:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Haul sand. | 43:14 |
Kara Miles (?) | When you first got married, where did y'all move to? Where was your first home? | 43:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Around Weldon. | 43:20 |
Kara Miles (?) | Is that close to his family? | 43:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Uh-huh. | 43:32 |
Kara Miles (?) | How was Weldon different than Roanoke Rapids? | 43:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 43:32 |
Kara Miles (?) | How is Weldon different than Roanoke Rapids? | 43:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, don't much. Roanoke Rapids was a little large than Weldon, and see, his home was in Weldon. Mine was in Roanoke Rapids. | 43:38 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you live in a house there in Weldon? | 44:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 44:05 |
Karen Ferguson | Was it just the two of you? | 44:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 44:08 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. Did you live close to his family? | 44:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. Yeah. | 44:12 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you miss your brothers and sisters? | 44:14 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 44:14 |
Kara Miles (?) | Uh-huh. | 44:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Know I did. | 44:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Were you able to see your own family very often? | 44:24 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Normally, because Weldon ain't too far from Roanoke Rapids. | 44:27 |
Kara Miles (?) | Right, right. | 44:37 |
Karen Ferguson | When did you have your first child? Was it soon after you got married? | 44:37 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. I don't know. Because my first child, he didn't live. | 44:48 |
Karen Ferguson | You stayed at home while your husband was at work then? | 45:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 45:10 |
Karen Ferguson | You took care of the family? | 45:10 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I stayed home. | 45:12 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you ever do anything to make a little extra money for yourself or for the family? | 45:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No, not when I first got married, I didn't do nothing. | 45:21 |
Karen Ferguson | And then afterwards? | 45:24 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Nothing for them to do then around there, I didn't do nothing, because I sure didn't go in nobody field. | 45:25 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you have your own garden, things like that? | 45:39 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, we had a little garden. | 45:42 |
Karen Ferguson | When you had your children, did you go to the hospital? What did you do? | 45:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I had a mid-lady. | 45:58 |
Karen Ferguson | Mid-lady. Uh-huh. Do you remember her name? | 45:59 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I had Lula Ivory. | 46:03 |
Karen Ferguson | Lula Ivory? | 46:09 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 46:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. She deliver all the children in your neighborhood? | 46:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, she deliver all mine. | 46:15 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Lena Wells and that was [indistinct 00:00:07]. | 0:03 |
Karen Ferguson | How did the mid-lady help you? I mean, besides helping you deliver the baby, did she help you in any other way? | 0:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | She [indistinct 00:00:28]. Yeah, she helped. | 0:27 |
Karen Ferguson | Did she tell you what to do while you were pregnant or anything? What kinds of things did she tell you? | 0:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Take exercise. We took exercise. | 0:36 |
Karen Ferguson | Did she help you after? What did she do after the baby was born? | 0:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Wash up. Clean the baby, baby clothes on. | 0:56 |
Kara Miles (?) | Was it just her helping you or did you have relatives and friends helping too when you had your baby? | 1:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They were there. | 1:12 |
Kara Miles (?) | What kind of things did they do to help? | 1:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | What my— | 1:12 |
Kara Miles (?) | Your relatives and your friends? | 1:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Just wait on her, hand her what she needed. | 1:24 |
Karen Ferguson | Were there any men around when you were having the baby? Or did they have to leave? Did they leave the house or did they stay in the house? | 1:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They stayed. | 1:37 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh. Did you ever see a doctor when you were— | 1:38 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | After. | 1:48 |
Karen Ferguson | After? And where would you see him? | 1:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | To the clinic. | 1:51 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. There was a clinic? | 1:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. There was a clinic when I had mine. | 1:54 |
Karen Ferguson | Uh-huh. In Weldon. | 1:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | It was in Weldon when I was having it down here and one was in Battleboro. I went to the clinic. | 2:04 |
Karen Ferguson | And was this a clinic for Black people? | 2:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 2:08 |
Karen Ferguson | Were there any— | 2:09 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | White be there too. | 2:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. Okay. Do you remember what it was called? | 2:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 2:13 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you remember what the clinic was called? | 2:15 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | All I know is Weldon's clinic—just said Battleboro clinic. | 2:17 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh. I know that the church has been very important in your life, but were there any other organizations that you belonged to? No? When you became an adult or when you became a mother, what kinds of things were you involved in at church? | 2:33 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Involved in church. | 2:54 |
Karen Ferguson | At church, yeah. Were you singing in the choir? | 2:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I sang in the choir. | 3:01 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you change churches when you got married? | 3:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I changed after I moved down here. | 3:06 |
Karen Ferguson | Battleboro. | 3:07 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Because the church I was in up there, Roanoke Rapids was First Baptist and down here Pittman Grove Baptist Church. | 3:08 |
Karen Ferguson | Why did your family move down here from Weldon? | 3:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When my family moved down to this part of the country, I didn't come with them. I moved down here afterwards. Well, when my family moved from Weldon, my daddy was living and my mother, they was farming down here. | 3:30 |
Karen Ferguson | They were farming? | 3:44 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Near down here. When they moved down, they went to farming down here. | 3:45 |
Karen Ferguson | So he went from public work to farming? | 3:51 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 3:53 |
Karen Ferguson | Why did he do that? | 3:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know, but he did it. | 3:54 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you know what he preferred? The public work or the farming? No? Was he working on someone else's land or did he own his own land? | 4:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Working on somebody else's. | 4:13 |
Karen Ferguson | Was he sharecropping or—? | 4:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 4:18 |
Karen Ferguson | Were you ever on a farm? Did you ever have to do farm work for your— | 4:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I hoed. Yeah, I hoed. | 4:25 |
Karen Ferguson | So was it your husband who moved down here to farm or your father? | 4:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He didn't move down here, my husband didn't, but he helped my father. | 4:33 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, helped him, okay. And was your husband still working at the gravel pit? | 4:36 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. We had moved from up there to then. | 4:43 |
Karen Ferguson | What did he do after working at the gravel pit? | 4:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He just [indistinct 00:04:55] come here and helped my daddy. | 4:50 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, okay. Okay. Did you like working on the farm? | 4:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, it was all right. Yeah, I liked it. | 5:02 |
Karen Ferguson | How was it different than the life that you've had before with your father and your husband doing public work? How was it different? | 5:05 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | It wasn't no different. | 5:13 |
Karen Ferguson | No different? When you lived in Roanoke Rapids, were there places that Black people could not go in Roanoke Rapids? | 5:24 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 5:42 |
Karen Ferguson | What places? | 5:42 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Restaurant and bath—the restaurant, couldn't go in there. | 5:42 |
Karen Ferguson | Anything else? | 5:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Some of them couldn't even go to movies. | 5:48 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you ever go to the movies? | 5:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 5:54 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 5:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Well, my sister and brother went, but I didn't. | 5:54 |
Karen Ferguson | Was it that you weren't allowed in the movie theaters or were Blacks allowed to go in the balcony? | 6:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know. | 6:06 |
Karen Ferguson | You don't know? | 6:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I know I couldn't go in the restaurants. You couldn't use the same— | 6:06 |
Kara Miles (?) | Did you ever know anybody that broke the rules and went to the White restrooms anyway? | 6:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 6:40 |
Karen Ferguson | I'm trying to think of more questions. | 6:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | You couldn't ride on trains, you had to go in the back. You couldn't ride up to the front. | 6:42 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you ever leave this area to travel anywhere? | 6:51 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, I traveled. I traveled on the bus too. | 6:55 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh yeah? Where did you go? | 6:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I went to Washington. | 6:58 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. To visit your relatives? | 6:58 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 7:04 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you like it up there? | 7:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 7:07 |
Karen Ferguson | No? | 7:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Not good as I do here. I just don't like the city. | 7:08 |
Karen Ferguson | I heard someone else told me yesterday that they like the country— | 7:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Country the best. | 7:15 |
Karen Ferguson | And why is that? What is it about the country? | 7:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I just like the country. | 7:20 |
Karen Ferguson | How is it different than the city? | 7:26 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The city is faster. Too fast. | 7:28 |
Karen Ferguson | Did you ever know anybody who went up to the city, moved there and decided they didn't like it and came back down here? No? | 7:38 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 7:48 |
Karen Ferguson | All right. Well, thank you very much. [INTERRUPTION 00:07:59] | 7:58 |
Karen Ferguson | —questions to ask you just about some names and dates and so on. So when people are listening to the tapes, they'll have a better idea of who you are. So could you give me your full name please? | 8:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Cassie Smith. Cassie Cloyd Smith. | 8:18 |
Karen Ferguson | C-A-S-S-I-E. | 8:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 8:23 |
Karen Ferguson | What did you say you middle— | 8:24 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mae. | 8:26 |
Karen Ferguson | Mae? M-A-E. | 8:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Uh-huh. Smith. | 8:28 |
Karen Ferguson | What was your maiden name? | 8:33 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Cloyd. | 8:34 |
Karen Ferguson | How do you spell that? | 8:35 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | C-L-O-Y-D. | 8:36 |
Karen Ferguson | C-L-O-Y-D? Is that right? | 8:42 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. See, some people don't spell it right. | 8:46 |
Karen Ferguson | Right. | 8:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They spell C-L-O-D. | 8:50 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And what's your address right now? | 8:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Post Office box 101. | 8:56 |
Karen Ferguson | 101, okay. | 8:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Battleboro. | 8:56 |
Karen Ferguson | Battleboro. Okay. And your zip code, do you know? | 9:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | 2780— | 9:08 |
Karen Ferguson | 27801? | 9:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Nine. | 9:08 |
Karen Ferguson | Oh, 9, okay. And your telephone number? I've got that here. 977-1476. Okay. If your name appears in any kind of written materials that come out of this project, how would you like it to be? How would you like it to appear? Cassie Smith or—okay. | 9:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Could you give me your date of birth? | 9:38 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh. | 9:53 |
Karen Ferguson | No? Okay. If you don't want— | 9:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | October the 10th. | 9:59 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 10:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | 1914. | 10:03 |
Karen Ferguson | 1914. And you were born in Halifax County? | 10:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 10:17 |
Karen Ferguson | Are you widowed now? | 10:17 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 10:18 |
Karen Ferguson | What was your husband's name? | 10:20 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Jesse Smith. | 10:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Jesse, J-E-S-S-E? | 10:23 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 10:29 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And do you know when he was born? No? Okay. And do you remember when he died? | 10:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He died May. The 3rd of May '63. | 10:36 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And where was he born? | 10:51 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | He was born in Halifax County. | 10:53 |
Karen Ferguson | And what would you like me to put as his occupation? | 11:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't know. | 11:12 |
Karen Ferguson | Farmer or gravel truck driver or what? | 11:12 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Put farmer. | 11:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Farmer? Okay. What was your mother's name? | 11:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mamie. | 11:22 |
Karen Ferguson | Mamie. Okay. M-A-M-I-E? | 11:25 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 11:28 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And it was Cloyd, Mamie Cloyd. And what was her maiden name? Do you know? | 11:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Brown. | 11:35 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you remember when she was born? | 11:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | All I know she June the 29th, but I don't know the year. | 11:45 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Do you remember when she died? You said it was— | 11:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I believe she died March the 3rd, '74. | 11:55 |
Karen Ferguson | And was she born in Halifax County? And what should I put as her job, as her occupation? | 12:04 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Housemaid. Because that's all she did. | 12:16 |
Karen Ferguson | That's a lot. And your father's name? | 12:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Brady. B-R-A-D-Y. | 12:25 |
Karen Ferguson | B-R-A-D-Y. Okay. Cloyd? | 12:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 12:27 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And you remember when he was born? | 12:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | November the 24th, but still I don't know the year. I know, but I done forgot. | 12:35 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And you remember when he died? | 12:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I think he died in August the 7th. I know it was August. August I think he died '67. | 12:44 |
Karen Ferguson | 1967. And where was he born? | 13:05 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Same. | 13:06 |
Karen Ferguson | What was his job in the coal mill? | 13:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | A fireman. | 13:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Fireman. Okay. What was the coal mill called? Do you remember, in Roanoke Rapids? | 13:17 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | All I know coal mill. Coal, all I know. | 13:24 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. So you were number one of all your brothers and sisters. Can you remember your brothers and sisters' names? The one who was younger than you? | 13:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I know the names, but I don't know [indistinct 00:13:58] | 13:55 |
Karen Ferguson | Just put down— | 13:58 |
Kara Miles (?) | Just put the names. That's fine. | 13:59 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. The names are fine, whatever you remember. | 14:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | My sister. I'm number one. | 14:02 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Okay. And the next— | 14:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The one next to me is deceased. | 14:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Sorry? | 14:13 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | The one next to me is deceased. | 14:14 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And what was her name? | 14:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They was twin. | 14:19 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 14:19 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And one Hazel. | 14:22 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Hazel. Okay. | 14:23 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And the boy, his name was John. | 14:27 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Twins. | 14:28 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | [indistinct 00:14:33] | 14:28 |
Karen Ferguson | Did they both live? Did they die when they were babies or later? | 14:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They got grown. | 14:37 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. All right. And are they both deceased? | 14:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 14:42 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. All right. And then after that? | 14:44 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | James. | 14:47 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Okay. And after that? | 14:50 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Joseph. | 14:54 |
Karen Ferguson | Joseph. Okay. | 14:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Louise. | 14:56 |
Karen Ferguson | Louise. Okay. | 14:59 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Esther. | 14:59 |
Karen Ferguson | Hester. Okay. | 15:03 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Dorothy. | 15:07 |
Karen Ferguson | Dorothy. Okay. | 15:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Got Benjamin. | 15:10 |
Karen Ferguson | Benjamin. Okay. | 15:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | You got George. | 15:11 |
Karen Ferguson | George, okay. All right. | 15:15 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Them all. | 15:20 |
Karen Ferguson | That's all of them? Okay. It's enough I think. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. So is that right? | 15:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 15:32 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And are they all living but Hazel and John? | 15:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I got three brothers dead. | 15:37 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And they're John and James and Joseph? | 15:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Benjamin dead too. | 15:45 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. All right. | 15:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | It's three dead, three boys and one girl. | 15:46 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And your children's names? | 16:06 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | All them living or deads? I got some that ain't living. | 16:12 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay, well, whatever you want. | 16:16 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | You want all of them are living? | 16:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Sure. That would be good. | 16:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mamie. | 16:21 |
Karen Ferguson | Mamie. Okay. All right. | 16:22 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Nora. | 16:26 |
Karen Ferguson | Sorry, Nora, how do you spell that? | 16:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | N-O-R-A. | 16:29 |
Karen Ferguson | N-O. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Nora. Okay. | 16:31 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And uh— | 16:37 |
Karen Ferguson | Anna? | 16:37 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Martha. | 16:39 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Martha. Okay. | 16:39 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Ernestine. | 16:40 |
Karen Ferguson | Ernestine. Okay. | 16:42 |
Kara Miles (?) | You had a lot of girls. | 16:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | James. | 16:43 |
Kara Miles (?) | And one boy. | 16:43 |
Karen Ferguson | James, okay. | 16:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Glen. | 16:43 |
Karen Ferguson | Glen. Is that with one N? | 16:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Frank. | 16:57 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Frank. | 16:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Is that seven? | 16:57 |
Karen Ferguson | One, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah, seven. | 16:57 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 16:57 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And do you have any grandchildren? | 17:04 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Ooh. | 17:07 |
Karen Ferguson | But you don't have to give me their names. Just approximate, you know how many you have? | 17:08 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 17:13 |
Karen Ferguson | Can you estimate around how many you have? | 17:14 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I [indistinct 00:17:30] got about 25. | 17:16 |
Karen Ferguson | 25. | 17:16 |
Kara Miles (?) | Whoa. | 17:16 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Okay. All right. So you lived in Halifax County until you got married, is that right? Okay. Okay. So that was until you were about—when did you get married? About 19, 18, is that what you said? | 17:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I got married? | 17:56 |
Karen Ferguson | Mm-hmm. | 17:56 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | 20. | 17:56 |
Karen Ferguson | 20, okay. So you were born in '19, so about 1934, 1935? Okay. And you moved then to Weldon, is that— | 17:58 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 18:13 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. It's still in— | 18:14 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah, that's still in Halifax County. | 18:15 |
Kara Miles (?) | It is but [indistinct 00:18:21]. | 18:18 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. And the schools you went to, you said you went to Roanokes Rapid School? | 18:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 18:31 |
Karen Ferguson | Is that what it was called? | 18:33 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 18:34 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And what grades were you there for? Do you remember? | 18:43 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I was in the 7th. | 18:46 |
Karen Ferguson | So 1st to 7th grade? | 18:49 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I was in the 7th. | 18:51 |
Karen Ferguson | 7th grade? Okay. And then you said you went to another school in Weldon? | 18:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | They called it Weldon School. | 18:58 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And what grade was that for? | 19:01 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | That was about the 8th. | 19:03 |
Karen Ferguson | 8th grade. | 19:07 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And I went there. | 19:09 |
Karen Ferguson | Could you tell me the jobs that you've had, the most important jobs to you that you've had? | 19:18 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I ain't had but one job. | 19:25 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And that was in the motel? | 19:26 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 19:27 |
Karen Ferguson | What was the motel called? | 19:27 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 19:28 |
Karen Ferguson | What was the motel called? It was— | 19:30 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Family Inn. | 19:31 |
Karen Ferguson | Family Inn, okay. And where was that? | 19:32 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | [indistinct 00:19:36] Rock. | 19:36 |
Karen Ferguson | What were you doing there? | 19:40 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I was cleaning. | 19:41 |
Kara Miles (?) | Okay. | 19:42 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | And the others I farmed. | 19:46 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay, you farmed? And that was— | 19:49 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Work on the farm. | 19:49 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. And that was here in Halifax County? | 19:52 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yep. | 19:53 |
Karen Ferguson | Do you— | 19:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | No. | 19:54 |
Karen Ferguson | —remember the name of the landowner there? Here? | 19:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | When I worked— | 19:59 |
Karen Ferguson | On the farm? | 20:00 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | John Fisher. | 20:02 |
Karen Ferguson | How long did you work at the Family Inn? | 20:02 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | About three years. | 20:13 |
Karen Ferguson | Three years? And how long did you work on the farm. Is that a long time? | 20:17 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. Yeah, I worked there a long time. | 20:23 |
Karen Ferguson | So that was after you got married. So it was in the 1940s? To the '60s or— | 20:26 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Yeah. | 20:32 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Have you received any awards or honors or held any offices during your life? | 20:48 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. | 20:53 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 20:53 |
Kara Miles (?) | Any church awards? | 20:53 |
Karen Ferguson | Yeah. Church or— | 20:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Huh? | 20:53 |
Kara Miles (?) | Any church awards? | 20:53 |
Karen Ferguson | Church awards? | 20:53 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I got a—something like a [indistinct 00:20:57] on church. | 20:54 |
Kara Miles (?) | Yeah. | 20:57 |
Karen Ferguson | What's that? | 20:57 |
Kara Miles (?) | [indistinct 00:21:00] Church certificate. | 20:59 |
Karen Ferguson | Church certificate. And do you hold any offices at church? Choir or— | 21:09 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Oh I was just the treasurer. | 21:18 |
Karen Ferguson | Treasurer? | 21:20 |
Kara Miles (?) | Oh, that's good. | 21:20 |
Karen Ferguson | Treasurer of the choir? Okay. Right. So you're Baptist. | 21:21 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 21:29 |
Karen Ferguson | And what church do you belong to now? | 21:29 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Pittman Grove Baptist Church. | 21:33 |
Karen Ferguson | Pittman Grove. Okay. Pittman is P-I-T- | 21:34 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 21:45 |
Karen Ferguson | —M-A-N? Okay. And you belonged to the First Baptist in Roanoke Rapids when you were growing up? Okay. | 21:46 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 21:52 |
Karen Ferguson | And have you belonged to any other church—churches? | 21:54 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. Mm [indistinct 00:22:09]. | 22:07 |
Kara Miles (?) | [indistinct 00:22:09] | 22:07 |
Karen Ferguson | No, this isn't too bad. Do you belong to any organizations outside of church? | 22:09 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-mm. I don't belong no organizations. | 22:16 |
Kara Miles (?) | Just the church. [indistinct 00:22:20] | 22:17 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. Do you have a favorite biblical verse or quote or anything that you'd like me to mark down here? To sort of mark you to say who you are? | 22:28 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Who I am? | 22:42 |
Karen Ferguson | Well, or something that you like— | 22:43 |
Kara Miles (?) | A favorite saying they say, things like that. So we ask that. But if you don't have one, that's fine. | 22:45 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I don't have them. | 22:49 |
Karen Ferguson | Okay. | 22:50 |
Kara Miles (?) | Do you have any hobbies or things that you like to do? Sewing or cooking, gardening, anything like that? | 22:51 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I like gardening. | 22:55 |
Karen Ferguson | Gardening? Okay. | 22:55 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | I like my flowers too. | 22:57 |
Kara Miles (?) | Oh, flowers. | 23:04 |
Karen Ferguson | So you have a vegetable and a flower garden? Okay. Okay. All right. The last thing we have to do, in order to be able to use the tape for people to listen to it and for students to be able to listen to it and so on, we have to get you to sign a release form for it. The tapes are going to go back to Duke University, to the library there, but another copy will come back here to this area, so that people here can come and listen to the tapes. So if you'd like to look over this agreement, and if you want me to explain anything, you can. And then if you agree with it, if you could just sign your name there. | 23:11 |
Cassie Cloyd Smith | Mm-hmm. | 24:06 |
Kara Miles (?) | Want me to pick this up for you? I can do that. | 24:06 |
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